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Morrigan LeSante
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Posted - 2014.01.19 17:08:00 -
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Dyphorus wrote:Sar Hobonim wrote:Drones set to aggressive. In mission. You're mistake, your fault. This is not new. The agro mechanics were made very clear before they were added to the game. You chose to use something you obviously didn't understand and paid the consequences. Aside from the fact that this is a known mechanic, you can't glance sideways at the forums without seeing someone else that didn't bother to read up on something new they decided to use. It's everywhere, and you still didn't pay attention. All the MTU does is encourage people to put their drones on passive and make them manually attack. This has the terrible side effect of making people have actually pay a small bit of attention to the game while running missions, I know it's almost too much to handle.
Numerous people have been told by GMs it is a bug.
Oops, smartass post seeming less smart? |
Morrigan LeSante
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Posted - 2014.01.19 22:30:00 -
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Maybe you should check the 10-11 pager in issues and workaround where even one of the most ardent believers that it was working as intended posted he had been told otherwise. There have been several others posting the same, however I would say James post is probably the weightiest.
Also, passive is bugged. Passive drones don't stay passive on assist. |
Morrigan LeSante
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Posted - 2014.01.20 08:42:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Morrigan LeSante wrote:Also, passive is bugged. Passive drones don't stay passive on assist. Because you have given them the command to assist someone. They will continue to assist until you tell them to stop.
That's the point, the person being assisted has stopped firing. The drones do not.
Unless you're saying they should free-fire...in which case....on what targets, why and why then is there a guard setting? |
Morrigan LeSante
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Posted - 2014.01.20 09:22:00 -
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/shrug
All I can go on is the fact the thread was moved to issues and workarounds, there have been numerous reimburses, several people (even people in favour of it) have had GM responses saying it is bugged (what is interesting is no-one, to my knowledge, has been told it is working as intended). These lend weight to it not working as intended, to my mind at least.
Personally, my opinion was and still is that it was an unforeseen/unintended consequence of the change, the drone AI is too flaky to be reliable in conjunction with a MTU ('passive' or not). I think the overall effects are well within the spirit of EVE but the particular implementation feels a bit iffy. I may be wrong and yes the evidence is anecdotal - but there's a lot of it and not a lot against it.
Also, it has nothing, nothing to do with the safety system - I've no idea why people think it does.
In the end, I don't suppose I really care much, I don't use the units, too slow  |
Morrigan LeSante
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Posted - 2014.01.20 18:27:00 -
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Because I didn't think it was hard.....
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=306780&find=unread
The whole discussion is like Groundhog Day.
Whatever, I'm out. |
Morrigan LeSante
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Posted - 2014.01.20 20:01:00 -
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1) I usually post from a phone and that's a nightmare and 2) The whole thread offers context and other bits and pieces such as the thread being relocated there and peoples beliefs and posting history.
You don't need to take my word for it, or even read a single post: I couldn't give a rats ass if you do, or do not |
Morrigan LeSante
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Posted - 2014.01.20 21:50:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Morrigan LeSante wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Morrigan LeSante wrote:Also, passive is bugged. Passive drones don't stay passive on assist. Because you have given them the command to assist someone. They will continue to assist until you tell them to stop. That's the point, the person being assisted has stopped firing. The drones do not. Try it. Unless you're saying they should continue to free-fire...in which case....on what targets, why and why then is there a guard setting at all? Why wont they engage immediately on the assist command but they need the person to open fire - but continue to free fire after that first target is down and the person being assisted has stopped shooting? Are the drones of the assisted person still attacking? I use drone assist all the time & have not come accross this issue you seem to be having difficulty with.
I'm not having difficulty because I don't use the units. Also because I use guard because it's faster and needs no locking so is wonderful to stomp EWAR
I'll test this tonight and confirm. I couldnt honestly say for sure. |
Morrigan LeSante
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Posted - 2014.01.21 16:40:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:It doesn't matter if you had your drones set to passive. You assisted them to another player, and when he shot at the griefer; the drones automatically attacked too. Drones that are assisted to another player do not require that player to have dones out. The drones automatically aggro anything that player aggresses. Using guns or drones isn't the only way to aggress another player.
You miss the point, or it is unclear.
1) Passive drones [Drones are idle]
2) Assist target [Drones are idle]
3) Target fires [Drones are active]
4) Target CEASES fire, it's target is dead.
Expected outcome here at this point [Drones are idle] until the person they are assisting shoots again...except they're not - the drones KEEP shooting, even though the person whom they were assisting has stopped firing and it's target is dead. They shoot people aggressing the other ship, they shoot things aggressing them. They are anything but passive.
Drone assist is working more like "guard", which it shouldn't be.
I'm not talking about shooting another player [and being surprised the drones 'assist'] specifically here - I'm talking about the general behaviour of passive drones and the assist command.
I would expect (and it is a reasonable assumption considering the existence of the GUARD command) that passive drones set to assist ONLY open fire at targets the 'assistee' is shooting at and when the 'assistee' is not shooting (and it's target is dead), neither are the drones. |
Morrigan LeSante
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Posted - 2014.01.21 21:00:00 -
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The target was dead, I don't know how I can make that any clearer.
The drones proceeded to shoot OTHER things aggressive either them or the assistee with no further action taken by EITHER pilot. |
Morrigan LeSante
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Posted - 2014.01.22 12:03:00 -
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Pilot 2 was aggressive, that was my next thought to test, but haven't had the time to test and that's more than a bit dodgy if it does work like that!
I wonder what happens if that pilot has no drone bay thus no settings.... |
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